Comments on: A Contrary Take on Sec. 529 Plans and Qualified Tuition Programs https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/a-contrary-take-on-sec-529-plans-and-qualified-tuition-programs/ Actionable Insights from Small Business CPAs Fri, 23 Dec 2016 23:57:43 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: order of research paper https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/a-contrary-take-on-sec-529-plans-and-qualified-tuition-programs/#comment-3109 Fri, 23 Dec 2016 23:57:43 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=1028#comment-3109 Greetings from Carolina! I’m bored to death at work so I decided to
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By: Steve https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/a-contrary-take-on-sec-529-plans-and-qualified-tuition-programs/#comment-1235 Mon, 11 Aug 2014 19:40:46 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=1028#comment-1235 In reply to Frank Wilson.

I have seen a number of college students avoid the kiddie tax (often because they’ve got good jobs working for the family business), but you make a very good point. I should have discussed this reality… but didn’t…fortunately you nicely cover. Thank you.

Regarding the go-to-college statistics and stay-in-college statistics… I wish they were misleading. But I’m afraid I don’t think they are.

8/12/2014 Edit/Addendum: After originally replying to Frank Wilson’s constructive criticism regarding the kiddie tax stuff, I found myself thinking, “Gosh, why haven’t I seen more returns with significant kiddie taxes even though the parents have saved money in the kid’s name?” And after noodling around with Lacerte a bit, I think the answer is complicated. First, obviously, the last year in college, a kid who goes out and gets a job probably won’t be subject to kiddie tax because via earned income he or she will contribute more than half of their support. Second, if the parent’s income is middle-class, the capital gains tax rate used in the kiddie tax calculations equals 0% which will on its own drop the kiddie tax to zero or a very modest value. And third, if the kid doesn’t qualify as a dependent on the parents’ tax return, on the kid’s 1040 return, he or she gets a full personal exemption which may shelter investment income. So, bottomline, the kiddie tax issue that Frank Wilson raises is excellent. But I think parents probably want to work the numbers out to see how much actual damage the kiddie tax creates…

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By: Frank Wilson https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/a-contrary-take-on-sec-529-plans-and-qualified-tuition-programs/#comment-1230 Sun, 10 Aug 2014 07:38:01 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=1028#comment-1230 I think you are forgetting about the kiddie tax. A child who uses savings to pay for college may not be a dependent if they provide more than half of their own support, but the kiddie tax will still apply unless the child pays more than half of his or her support through earned income, and savings don’t count as earned income. Most college students will not be able to earn enough income to pay more than half of their support while going to college full time. So they will be subject to the kiddie tax, and after the first thousand in income, the earnings and capital gains on the savings used to pay for college would be taxed at the parents’ presumably higher tax rates. That will not be the case if the savings are taken from a 529 account.

I also think the statistics you post on finishing college in four years may be misleading. Many of those who start college but don’t finish in four years don’t drop out completely, but take more than four years to finish, making a 529 account even more valuable, not less so.

I think you need to rethink your advice I this column.

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By: Steve https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/a-contrary-take-on-sec-529-plans-and-qualified-tuition-programs/#comment-1223 Tue, 29 Jul 2014 17:45:26 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=1028#comment-1223 In reply to Steve.

I think your points are all really good and very valid… E.g., the UTMA or UGMA account is the child’s… for good or bad. If a parent wants control, yup, that’s not going to work.

Regarding the financial aid element, also true… though (and here we probably need to talk about specific income levels of parents, etc.) I wonder how much need-based financial aid a child from an affluent family able to save a bunch into a Sec. 529 plan really gets. In the situations where I have first hand knowledge, (my kids, nieces and nephews, clients’ kids, etc.) people able to save big amounts into a UTMA or Sec. 529 or who have saved big money into an UGMA or Sec. 529 are getting basically no financial aid.

You make a good point about an ability to shift the dollars to another person… but if you’ve also provided for your other children (so shifting to a sibling isn’t needed), the idea of shifting funds to (say) a niece or nephew … or jumping ahead to the next generation seems a bit of a stretch to me. I care about my nieces and nephews… but I’d personally rather help my kids buy a business or make investments.

But, to summarize, your points are good and definitely something that parents, grandparents should include in their analysis. Thank you for sharing them. 🙂

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By: Steve https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/a-contrary-take-on-sec-529-plans-and-qualified-tuition-programs/#comment-1221 Mon, 28 Jul 2014 21:35:43 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=1028#comment-1221 One of the advantages of a 529 over an UTMA (formerly UGMA) account that you don’t seem to consider is that the 529 account remains an asset of the parent, whereas an UTMA account is an asset of the child. This has (at least) two key effects. First, money in a 529 remains in control of the parent. Money in a UTMA has to be turned over when the child becomes an adult; if the parent doesn’t like what their heir does with the money, tough patootie.

Secondly, most financial aid packages consider the student’s income (those capital gains you pooh pooh) and assets as being almost solely intended to pay for education. Money in a 529, being an asset of the parent, only has about 6% of its value per year included in the expected family contribution calculation.

Furthermore, if the child doesn’t go to college, the money can be shifted to another sibling, neice, or nephew. With an UTMA account, the money belongs to the child and must be spent on or by them regardless of whether they go to college.

All of these issues could be avoided if the parents keep the money in their own name in a regular account, but then they don’t get any tax benefits.

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