Comments on: Index Funds and Asset Allocation Even Better for the Wealthy? https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/index-funds-asset-allocation-even-better-for-wealthy/ Actionable Insights from Small Business CPAs Sat, 11 Dec 2021 16:45:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Steve https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/index-funds-asset-allocation-even-better-for-wealthy/#comment-1912 Mon, 08 Jun 2015 15:49:59 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=1646#comment-1912 In reply to Steve.

I’m not sure if I’m understanding your point–sorry–but to paraphrase the blog post a bit, index funds give high income high net worth investors a way to easily scale up, to more easily deal with succession and to cleanly systematize their portfolio.

This stuff doesn’t matter that much when you’re talking average investor. But if the dollars get big, scalability, succession and systemization do matter.

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By: Steve https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/index-funds-asset-allocation-even-better-for-wealthy/#comment-1911 Mon, 08 Jun 2015 15:45:36 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=1646#comment-1911 In reply to FIREvLondon.

I would not describe MF Global as big or blue-chip.

That said, and to your point, John Corazine (the former Goldman Sachs CEO and former US Senator running MF Global) was certainly not a Bernie Madoff clone.

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By: Steve https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/index-funds-asset-allocation-even-better-for-wealthy/#comment-1908 Sun, 07 Jun 2015 16:23:49 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=1646#comment-1908 In reply to SparkDogg.

Regarding your third point, you wouldn’t live off just your dividend or even bonds. Many investors now realize that they can live off total return. You ‘manufacture dividends’ by selling long term shares to supplement your dividend yields. This enables you to get the cash flow you need, and possibly at a lower long term capital gain rate.

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By: Steve https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/index-funds-asset-allocation-even-better-for-wealthy/#comment-1907 Sun, 07 Jun 2015 16:15:35 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=1646#comment-1907 In reply to Steve.

Your question seems to be coming from the “don’t put all your eggs in one basket” mantra. Some investors let that confuse them. You could spread you assets over 10 custodians. But if they are all in one stock, say Apple, or one category, such as small cap, you would be closer to putting ” all your eggs in one basket” than if you were properly diversified at one major custodian. Even if Vanguard went down, chances are your money wouldn’t be gone. The assets are yours, not Vanguards. If Vanguard were public and you could buy their stock, then you would have problems if they “went down”.

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By: Steve https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/index-funds-asset-allocation-even-better-for-wealthy/#comment-1906 Sun, 07 Jun 2015 16:09:21 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=1646#comment-1906 In reply to Steve.

When I read your heading, I thought the main point of the article would be about the tax efficiency. Probably the biggest point because tax planning and simplicity two major things affluent investors want.

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By: FIREvLondon https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/index-funds-asset-allocation-even-better-for-wealthy/#comment-1905 Sat, 06 Jun 2015 21:44:24 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=1646#comment-1905 In reply to Brandon.

@Brandon – I think the risk of even the biggest, blue-est chip providers like Vanguard failing is very real. I had a bad experience with MF Global, for instance (run by the former head of Goldman Sachs, after all – more fool me). I’ve written about the risks I worry about, and what I do about them, at http://firevlondon.com/2015/05/27/whats-the-worst-that-can-happen/

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By: Steve https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/index-funds-asset-allocation-even-better-for-wealthy/#comment-1899 Fri, 05 Jun 2015 22:24:24 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=1646#comment-1899 In reply to SparkDogg.

Sparky, Fair enough! And thanks for your perspective.

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By: SparkDogg https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/index-funds-asset-allocation-even-better-for-wealthy/#comment-1897 Fri, 05 Jun 2015 19:52:33 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=1646#comment-1897 In reply to Steve.

Thanks for the reply Steve.

I wasn’t suggesting that what you articulated doesn’t make sense, I just think it would be worthwhile for people to appreciate the downside as well as the upside. I use index funds/ETF’s to diversify into areas I don’t understand well, such as small cap and international so, I appreciate the argument you make.

Sparky…-

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By: Steve https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/index-funds-asset-allocation-even-better-for-wealthy/#comment-1896 Fri, 05 Jun 2015 18:22:59 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=1646#comment-1896 In reply to SparkDogg.

I agree with you that no one approach fits everyone (e.g, see last paragraphs of post)… No argument there.

Where we disagree, obviously, is that I think passive investing makes more sense for most people… and then that passive investing makes “more” more sense for a wealthy or high income person.

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By: SparkDogg https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/index-funds-asset-allocation-even-better-for-wealthy/#comment-1895 Fri, 05 Jun 2015 17:39:13 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=1646#comment-1895 I think you overlook three important considerations: 1. when buying an index you wind up owning companies you may not otherwise be comfortable with and wouldn’t buy if you invested in individuals stocks, 2. if you invest all your funds at once you have to accept the valuation of the underlying stocks, and 3. if you needed to rely on the portfolio for income (as opposed to have to liquidate holdings to fund living expenses) it is rather difficult to earn enough of a yield to make that work using index funds (maybe most funds other than closed-ended funds) and the dividend distribution is subject to more volatility then if you held held the shares directly.

Not one approach fits all investor profiles.

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