Comments on: Cancelling Life Insurance: Three Rules for Pulling Plug https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/cancelling-life-insurance-three-rules-for-pulling-plug/ Actionable Insights from Small Business CPAs Mon, 14 Oct 2019 17:24:18 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Steve https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/cancelling-life-insurance-three-rules-for-pulling-plug/#comment-7380 Mon, 14 Oct 2019 17:22:34 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9037#comment-7380 In reply to Dr. Cory S. Fawcett.

Thanks Cory!

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By: Dr. Cory S. Fawcett https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/cancelling-life-insurance-three-rules-for-pulling-plug/#comment-7378 Fri, 11 Oct 2019 20:28:41 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9037#comment-7378 I cancelled my life insurance policy after I was financially independent. I just didn’t need it anymore. If I still had it today, and I died, the insurance policy would provide 15% of my net worth. Wouldn’t make a big difference. At some point the “term” that you need life insurance ends and you no longer need it. It is not the lottery for your kids, it is to protect them from catastrophic loss if I had died before I was financially independent. Love you points and will ad this article to my Fawcett’s Favorites next Monday.

Dr. Cory S. Fawcett
Prescription for Financial Success

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By: Steve https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/cancelling-life-insurance-three-rules-for-pulling-plug/#comment-7377 Wed, 09 Oct 2019 23:05:17 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9037#comment-7377 In reply to NEAL AXELROD CPA.

Hmmm. I would say that if a hybrid product bundles insurance and investment, it’s no longer just insurance or just investment… but both. And then I’d want to verify that the vendor doing the bundle isn’t charging too much for the “convenience” of the bundle.

I will also say that whenever some client asks me to look closely at the economics of a real-life whole-life policy, wow, the numbers don’t look pretty. It sounds like your experiences differ from mine… but what I see are expensive investments and/or expensive insurance premiums.

BTW, the point about people not successfully buying term and investing the difference seems good. But seems like someone should also take note of fact that people regularly abandon their whole-life policies early on. Which I think destroys the investment returns or means that someone massively overpays for their insurance.

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By: NEAL AXELROD CPA https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/cancelling-life-insurance-three-rules-for-pulling-plug/#comment-7375 Wed, 09 Oct 2019 11:38:46 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9037#comment-7375 My point is that insurance is a risk-management tool, period. Then we consider how to pay for it. If cash is not the concern (which it is for many), then the economics of whole-life are more favorable over term, and that the break-even for WL over term is less years than what one would think. I have never advocated buying it as an investment. I advocate that once the insurance need is no longer a factor, only then should one factor investment concerns.

The problem with buying term and investing the difference, which is basically what is mentioned, is that no one ever does it. Good in theory, but when we advise clients, we must advise for each one realistically. Doesn’t mean clients will follow it, especially when they are overwhelmed by uninformed, well-intentioned or self-interested, contrary information. (Think about paying for college: Lots of bad advice, I have seen only one method that works, and I can’t convince anyone to do it.)

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By: Steve https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/cancelling-life-insurance-three-rules-for-pulling-plug/#comment-7372 Tue, 08 Oct 2019 12:52:50 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9037#comment-7372 In reply to NEAL AXELROD CPA.

It seems to me that the fundamental problem with something like whole life insurance and similar hybrid products is they become too complicated for both buyers and sellers to understand.

I also wonder if these products are largely out-of-date now that (1) the big financial services companies offer super-low-cost index funds and (2) other better tax-deferred investment options are available. (I’m currently working as executor for a family member who had cash-value life insurance as one of his investment options. Very sophisticated guy. So his choice surprised me for a minute. Then I realized it was really the only tax-deferred investing option available to him when he started investing fifty years ago.)

In any case, I would suggest that if someone does want to buy this product, they should look at the alternative which bundles a cheap term policy for the insurance (though only as long as someone needs insurance) and then a cheap index fund or collection of index funds that match the asset allocation of the investment component of the product.

Rather than paying $1,000 a year for term insurance from the AICPA and making a $9,000 contribution to my SEP-IRA for 30 years, I could have just paid $10,000 a year for a whole life policy.

Once one re-frames the choice this way–which requires something like Microsoft Excel so you can use the financial functions–someone can pretty easily determine which choice is better.

BTW, it would be pretty easy to use Excel and the AICPA’s schedule of insurance policy amounts by age to see what someone pays for $1,000,000 of term life insurance for 30 years and what amount they could then have leftover for saving into their IRA, 401(k), etc.

I would be surprised if the whole life insurance option compares favorably when someone makes this comparison.

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By: NEAL AXELROD CPA https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/cancelling-life-insurance-three-rules-for-pulling-plug/#comment-7371 Mon, 07 Oct 2019 11:20:08 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9037#comment-7371 Good points with only the whole life needing comment. Life insurance is a risk-management tool, NOT an investment. Anytime there is an article about life insurance that starts with what a lousy investment whole life is, stop reading, the writer does not know anything. Whole life is a different way of paying for this risk management. From a quality company, in the long run it is cheaper and more flexible, and only once the insurance needs have passed can one consider it as an investment (again, not to buy as an investment, only whether to keep it). My children are adults, no one needs my income after me, it now provides a nice tax-free income, it leaves a legacy to my heirs. While the income is tax-free, if I was to surrender it I would have a taxable gain. For many policies, the cost of whole life will be cheaper than term after only 3-5 years. In any discussion about term vs whole life, we talk about pure term vs pure whole-life, not the variations the insurance companies have come up with to sell more policies (such as 15 year level term or universal life). In any discussion with buying or keeping insurance, one has to start with what risk is being insured and then to decide how to pay for that. I am a CPA and do not sell or benefit in any manner if my clients buy or don’t buy insurance. But I do see many insurance agents who know less than I do about insurance and push a product that benefits the agent.

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