Comments on: Paycheck Protection Program Loan: Small Business Life-saver https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/paycheck-protection-program-loan-small-business-life-saver/ Actionable Insights from Small Business CPAs Tue, 14 Apr 2020 22:17:47 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Steve https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/paycheck-protection-program-loan-small-business-life-saver/#comment-8467 Sun, 12 Apr 2020 02:41:14 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9458#comment-8467 In reply to Kevin.

To qualify for a PPP loan, your S corporation needs wages. It sounds like you guys haven’t done that. I.e., that you haven’t paid shareholder-employee W-2 wages as is required.

Bottomline: I think you can’t get a PPP loan. Your monthly payroll costs equal zero. So the PPP loan you qualify for, 2.5 times your “zero” monthly payroll costs, unfortunately, equals “zero.”

Sorry. 🙁

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By: Kevin https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/paycheck-protection-program-loan-small-business-life-saver/#comment-8464 Sat, 11 Apr 2020 22:35:23 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9458#comment-8464 We have a 2 owner (50-50%) S-Corp with no employees. Our profit is split 50-50 and reported on our business’s K-1 as ordinary business income.

Because we’re an S-Corp, the amount on our K-1 is passed through to our personal taxes and reported on Line 17 of Schedule 1 (Rent, Royalties, Partnerships, S Corps, etc).

Is our business eligible for the PPP Loan? Would this type of income be considered as payroll? If so, would the amount of the loan used toward lease payments and overhead be forgiven?

The building our store is in, is closed to the public…so we have zero revenue, but still have to pay our monthly lease….

We applied for the EIDL loan over a week ago. I feel like this is more applicable given our situation, but we still have not heard back.

Thanks in advance

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By: Steve https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/paycheck-protection-program-loan-small-business-life-saver/#comment-8456 Sat, 11 Apr 2020 20:03:44 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9458#comment-8456 In reply to Ericc GB.

I think if you have two partners each earning over $8333 a month, that you apply for $16,666 times 2.5.

See the reader comments though about problems of applying as a partnership…

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By: Steve https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/paycheck-protection-program-loan-small-business-life-saver/#comment-8455 Sat, 11 Apr 2020 20:02:42 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9458#comment-8455 In reply to Matt.

This blog post provides best explanation I have: PPP Loan accounting tips.

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By: Matt https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/paycheck-protection-program-loan-small-business-life-saver/#comment-8445 Sat, 11 Apr 2020 18:59:44 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9458#comment-8445 I am a member of a 2 person LLC categorized as a Partnership (no employees). We take bi-monthly withdrawals to pay ourselves.. As I understand from earlier comments here, we would use our K1 to determine our monthly “payroll” to the purpose of the PPP loan. My question is about how we would document our usage of the loan when it comes to forgiveness. How would we show this? Use our 2020 K1 (which won’t happen until April 2021), checks used to pay our draws, something else?

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By: Ericc GB https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/paycheck-protection-program-loan-small-business-life-saver/#comment-8444 Sat, 11 Apr 2020 18:34:39 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9458#comment-8444 Hi Steve.

Any advice would be appreciated on this;

Wife & I are 2 member LLC, 51/49 %. Our income was over the $100k cap for each of us. Would we be limited to just $8,333 for total, or can we put 2 x $8,333 for $16,666 total? The SE income being shown on our K-1 line 14.

Trying to understand if we apply together 1x for our LLC and include both our $8,333 as total per month or $16,666 per month vs if we would need to apply separately.

Thank you for your guidance.

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By: Steve https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/paycheck-protection-program-loan-small-business-life-saver/#comment-8422 Sat, 11 Apr 2020 14:13:48 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9458#comment-8422 In reply to Lori.

I think you can hire and raise people’s pay rates.

Also, shareholder-employees can be paid and shareholders should be able to take distributions.

The issue about whether a firm can deduct the spending funded with the loan is odd. This doesn’t really make sense to the accountants. But it appears to me that you can count amounts spent as deductions… and that contrary to the usual way things work (and maybe contrary to common sense and logic) you won’t count the cancellation of debt as income.

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By: Eric GG https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/paycheck-protection-program-loan-small-business-life-saver/#comment-8416 Sat, 11 Apr 2020 05:22:42 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9458#comment-8416 In reply to Steve.

I am in a similar situation. Wife & I are 2 member LLC, 51/49 % same as Sean above. Our income was over the $100k cap for each of us. Would we be limited to just $8,333 for total, or can we put 2 x $8,333 for $16,666 total? OR can I put our full SE Box 14 total for each of us combined (would be more than the $100k cap?

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By: Lori https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/paycheck-protection-program-loan-small-business-life-saver/#comment-8412 Sat, 11 Apr 2020 00:54:28 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9458#comment-8412 Steve,
Can a employer increase their employee full time head count? Can a employer increase employees wages during this 8 week period? Will employer that takes payroll themselves as a “s” corporation be allowed to also take a distribution not related to the loan amount?
The payroll costs that is forgiven the employer will not be able to take as a deduction on income statement for that time period?

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By: Steve https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/paycheck-protection-program-loan-small-business-life-saver/#comment-8401 Fri, 10 Apr 2020 20:17:37 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9458#comment-8401 In reply to Jen.

I think I would follow the bank’s instructions. My worry is you reach for bigger number… and then the money runs out.

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