Comments on: Paycheck Protection Program Loan Application Failed? https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/paycheck-protection-program-loan-application-failed/ Actionable Insights from Small Business CPAs Tue, 28 Apr 2020 20:12:22 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Jon Bell https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/paycheck-protection-program-loan-application-failed/#comment-8689 Tue, 28 Apr 2020 20:12:22 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9537#comment-8689 In reply to Steve.

As long as the business has fewer than 100 employees.

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By: Ian https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/paycheck-protection-program-loan-application-failed/#comment-8686 Tue, 28 Apr 2020 18:40:52 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9537#comment-8686 In reply to Steve.

Thank you for your thoughtful response. It’s reassuring that I am eligible. The trouble lies with Bank of America.

My S Corp applied on April 4. After the first round of SBA funds ran out, their system began sending me daily messages that I haven’t uploaded all my documents, and recently, to supply a 941. Now that the SBA is taking applications for the 2nd round of PPP funds, the messages have stopped.

Meanwhile I have been trying to call almost every day, but BofA has built a PPP system that’s structured to keep anyone at the bank from speaking with individual business owners about their applications.

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By: Steve https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/paycheck-protection-program-loan-application-failed/#comment-8684 Tue, 28 Apr 2020 17:22:49 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9537#comment-8684 In reply to Ian.

Sorry. This is been a pretty poorly managed program. I’m not sure that this is any consolation, but it seems relevant to note that in the end most small businesses won’t be able to actually get a loan.

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By: Ian https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/paycheck-protection-program-loan-application-failed/#comment-8683 Tue, 28 Apr 2020 17:09:13 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9537#comment-8683 In reply to Steve.

Thank you for your thoughtful response. It’s reassuring that I am eligible. The trouble lies with Bank of America.

I applied on April 4. After the first round of SBA funds ran out, their system began sending me daily messages that I haven’t uploaded all my documents and to supply a 941. Now that the SBA is taking applications for the 2nd round of PPP funds, the messages have stopped.

Meanwhile I have been trying to call almost every day, but BofA has built a PPP support system that’s structured to prevent small business owners from speaking with anyone at the bank who can comment on individual applications.

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By: Steve https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/paycheck-protection-program-loan-application-failed/#comment-8675 Mon, 27 Apr 2020 03:03:09 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9537#comment-8675 In reply to Ian.

I think you should be able to get a PPP loan based solely on your Schedule C from 2019. That’ll create the “PPP” payroll cost you need. You don’t therefore need actual employees on your payroll or a 941 for 2019.

E.g., if your 2019 Schedule C shows exactly $52,000, even if you employ no actual employees, your average monthly payroll costs equal $52,000/12 or $4333.

In this situation, you qualify for a PPP loan equal to $10,833 because 2.5 times $4333 equals $10,833.

Regarding forgiveness, in the eight week covered period, you would need to pay employees payroll equal to at least 75% of the $10,833. This amount equals $8125.

Your situation is a bit murky because in 2020 you don’t have a proprietor for whom you’ll have owner compensation replacement (which could have been up to $8,000 because the SBA says you can pay out 8/52nds of your 2019 Schedule C’s $52,000). Rather, you’ll need actual W-2 wages paid to Ian (now a shareholder-employee) and some other employee.

You’ll also get forgiveness for rent, utilities, etc.

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By: Steve https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/paycheck-protection-program-loan-application-failed/#comment-8674 Mon, 27 Apr 2020 02:53:15 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9537#comment-8674 In reply to Brian.

I think just the partnership applies and that you deal with the partner’s owners compensation there, at that level.

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By: Steve https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/paycheck-protection-program-loan-application-failed/#comment-8673 Mon, 27 Apr 2020 02:50:36 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9537#comment-8673 In reply to ANITA HENRY.

If your S corporation shows zero wages, you won’t be able to get a PPP loan. You don’t have any payroll.

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By: Ian https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/paycheck-protection-program-loan-application-failed/#comment-8672 Sun, 26 Apr 2020 21:34:08 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9537#comment-8672 Steve, Thank you for these wonderful posts.

I recently transitioned from over a decade of being a sole proprietor to a single member LLC taxed as an S Corp late 2019. To date I have not paid myself a salary yet, but I intend to do so for 2020.

My S Corp applied for the PPP Loan with a simple online application from Bank of America on April 4. Per their instructions following a week later, I supplied a Schedule C. I also included a “Read Me” file explaining the change to S Corp.

I have been getting daily emails saying my documents are incomplete, but with no explanation why. The people in BofA’s CARES Team I have spoken with on the phone say what I did sounds right, but refuse to look at my documents.

Recently I received a request for Form 941. I don’t have one, so my bookkepper advised I create a file called “Form 941 2020 Q1” and put text in it stating the form does not exist because no payroll was run, only owners draws.

Yesterday, I was notified my application is ready to be turned into the SBA. This morning, I got another request to supply Form 941. I think I qualify for PPP Loan under SBA rules, but BofA’s system won’t accommodate me. This process is maddening. In hindsight, applying as a sole proprietor would have been simpler for BofA’s process.

Does anything jump out at you as a mistake on my part? Should I do something to supply a Form 941? Wondering when I should just give up…

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By: ANITA HENRY https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/paycheck-protection-program-loan-application-failed/#comment-8670 Sat, 25 Apr 2020 20:11:45 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9537#comment-8670 Hello Steve,
I have a S corp with a Schedule E, take a draw when there are funds available, I issue 1099 for the Spa workers, can I apply for PPP?

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By: Brian https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/paycheck-protection-program-loan-application-failed/#comment-8668 Fri, 24 Apr 2020 20:37:51 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9537#comment-8668 Hi Steve, in light of the most recent guidance indicating a partnership can apply for a PPP loan and include guaranteed payments as payroll costs, but individual partners also cannot apply as self-employed individuals, do you think that also precludes an S corporation that is a partner in that partnership from applying for a separate loan if it pays a salary to its shareholder? Thanks.

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