Comments on: Paycheck Protection Program Loan Forgiveness Application: Tips, Tricks and Traps https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/paycheck-protection-program-loan-forgiveness-application-tips-tricks-and-traps/ Actionable Insights from Small Business CPAs Sat, 30 May 2020 14:25:36 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Stephen Nelson https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/paycheck-protection-program-loan-forgiveness-application-tips-tricks-and-traps/#comment-9531 Sat, 30 May 2020 14:25:36 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9656#comment-9531 In reply to Rose.

Not sure I understand your question, but a sales commission in the eight weeks covered period doesn’t negate forgiveness.

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By: Rose https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/paycheck-protection-program-loan-forgiveness-application-tips-tricks-and-traps/#comment-9529 Sat, 30 May 2020 10:04:59 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9656#comment-9529 In reply to Steve.

Can I as as a sole proprietor also do the back pay work-around? I am commission only as a realtor (schedule c). My income went completely flat for a couple of months but applied and received loan on may 4 and just yesterday had a closing which will negate the forgiveness of the loan but still not make me whole over the course of the past few months.

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By: Stephen Nelson https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/paycheck-protection-program-loan-forgiveness-application-tips-tricks-and-traps/#comment-9525 Fri, 29 May 2020 21:37:17 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9656#comment-9525 In reply to Jim.

I am not sure I absolutely understand what you’re saying. Can you point me to the part of the blog post that you’re asking about or to the bit of the application? Sorry.

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By: Stephen Nelson https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/paycheck-protection-program-loan-forgiveness-application-tips-tricks-and-traps/#comment-9522 Fri, 29 May 2020 21:22:37 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9656#comment-9522 In reply to Matthew Clark.

I think they’re capped at $15385. Here’s relevant blurb we should all be looking at:

General partners are capped by the amount of their 2019 net earnings from self-employment (reduced by claimed section 179 expense deduction, unreimbursed partnership expenses, and depletion from oil and gas properties) multiplied by 0.9235

So what I’m thinking (but see if you agree)… I’m thinking that $15.385 is the amount leftover after all the adjustments. E.g. if Sec 179, unreimbursed partnership expenses, etc. all equal zero. I think you need $15.385/.9235 or $16,659 showing in box… so .9235 of that equals $15,385. I.e., I’m thinking they’re backing out a chunk for “half” of the SE taxes. In the usual crude fashion used on tax returns.

Very interested if others want to argue for a different treatment though…

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By: Matthew Clark https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/paycheck-protection-program-loan-forgiveness-application-tips-tricks-and-traps/#comment-9519 Fri, 29 May 2020 19:26:41 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9656#comment-9519 Steve, thank you for your continuing efforts. I am confused on one key point for my business. 2 of 3 of our partners earned well over $100k in 2019. Thus, these 2 partners are capped at $15385 or are they capped at $15885 multiplied by .9235 which would result in a cap of $14208?

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By: Jim https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/paycheck-protection-program-loan-forgiveness-application-tips-tricks-and-traps/#comment-9515 Fri, 29 May 2020 17:30:45 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9656#comment-9515 In reply to Stephen Nelson.

Steve, doesn’t it actually allow a different calculation that potentially could create an additional chance for safe harbor. As a business with a largely flexible PT staff the payroll period containing Jan 1 is relatively slow and would create a lower baseline for a comparison than Feb 15th. The end date of this comparison is also different as its related to the covered period so in some cases the result of this calc vs the regular safe harbor calc would differ and potentially be preferential.

Am I reading too much into this?

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By: Paul https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/paycheck-protection-program-loan-forgiveness-application-tips-tricks-and-traps/#comment-9508 Thu, 28 May 2020 21:05:12 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9656#comment-9508 Hi Steve:

We are a union shop. We applied for PPP based on W-2’s and 941’s and did not consider all the payments we make to the union for all their different funds. ie legal, vacation,. health, lecit etc. there is like 10 different funds all calculated based on hours worked. For the loan forgiveness, can the amounts paid to the union be considered as other payroll costs? Or only the vacation and health funds?

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By: SHARON https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/paycheck-protection-program-loan-forgiveness-application-tips-tricks-and-traps/#comment-9506 Thu, 28 May 2020 20:39:35 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9656#comment-9506 I’ve heard some rumors about the PPP program being extended to include more than 8 weeks? Is there any truth in this?

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By: Losing PPP Loan Forgiveness - Evergreen Small Business https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/paycheck-protection-program-loan-forgiveness-application-tips-tricks-and-traps/#comment-9505 Thu, 28 May 2020 13:47:57 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9656#comment-9505 […] And a final closing comment. You probably want to read our Maximizing PPP Forgiveness blog post for a longer discussion of that forgiveness rule the Small Business Administration published on May 22. Also, you may want to read our discussion of the actual PPP loan forgiveness application. […]

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By: Stephen Nelson https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/paycheck-protection-program-loan-forgiveness-application-tips-tricks-and-traps/#comment-9497 Thu, 28 May 2020 00:04:13 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9656#comment-9497 In reply to goldengaila.

I think you’ve got it.

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