Comments on: Big PPP Loan Forgiveness Surprises Await Small Businesses https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/big-ppp-loan-forgiveness-surprises-await-small-businesses/ Actionable Insights from Small Business CPAs Tue, 28 Jul 2020 19:01:15 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: How You Should Have Done Your PPP Loan - Evergreen Small Business https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/big-ppp-loan-forgiveness-surprises-await-small-businesses/#comment-9664 Tue, 28 Jul 2020 19:01:15 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9819#comment-9664 […] In our last blog post about PPP forgiveness, we describe how a firm that halves its payroll still gets nearly complete forgiveness. And […]

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By: Stephen Nelson https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/big-ppp-loan-forgiveness-surprises-await-small-businesses/#comment-9659 Thu, 23 Jul 2020 23:12:45 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9819#comment-9659 In reply to Jeanne Reberg.

Hi Jeanne, So, quick answer, if someone doesn’t want to come to work, that doesn’t impact your FTE reduction adjustment. The quote below comes from the 3508 loan application forgiveness application and I boldfaced the relevant parts…

FTE Reduction Exceptions: Indicate the FTE of (1) any positions for which the Borrower made a good-faith, written offer to rehire an individual who was an employee on February 15, 2020 and the Borrower was unable to hire similarly qualified employees for unfilled positions on or before December 31, 2020; (2) any positions for which the Borrower made a good-faith, written offer to restore any reduction in hours, at the same salary or wages, during the Covered Period or the Alternative Covered Period and the employee rejected the offer, and (3) any employees who during the Covered Period or the Alternative Payroll Covered Period (a) were
fired for cause, (b) voluntarily resigned, or (c) voluntarily requested and received a reduction of their hours. In all of these cases, include these FTEs on this line only if the position was not filled by a new employee. Any FTE reductions in these cases do not reduce the Borrower’s loan forgiveness.

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By: Jeanne Reberg https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/big-ppp-loan-forgiveness-surprises-await-small-businesses/#comment-9657 Thu, 23 Jul 2020 16:43:39 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9819#comment-9657 Stephen, how do the employees that temporarily stop working on their own accord due risk factors affect the forgiveness FTE count? Are they included in the reduction count? We have various types programs and some programs have temporarily lost employees because of their risk concerns. If other programs were to experience layoffs and employees cannot cross programs how will the FTE count be affected by the combination of these two scenarios.

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By: Rita Mizell https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/big-ppp-loan-forgiveness-surprises-await-small-businesses/#comment-9655 Wed, 22 Jul 2020 23:11:55 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9819#comment-9655 Canceled checks? Does anyone pay with checks now?

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By: Stephen Nelson https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/big-ppp-loan-forgiveness-surprises-await-small-businesses/#comment-9653 Wed, 22 Jul 2020 19:45:19 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9819#comment-9653 In reply to Jack.

I always do a bad job guessing at what Congress might do… but given the burden to banks and borrowers related to the accounting and the substantiation, I would not be surprised if there’s some small threshold. $150K seems high to me. If someone got this much free money, seems like they should prove to taxpayers they “did it right”… and that they should have ability. But what about borrowers who got $10K, $20K or $50K? Yikes. Good point, Jack. Thanks for posting.

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By: Stephen Nelson https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/big-ppp-loan-forgiveness-surprises-await-small-businesses/#comment-9652 Wed, 22 Jul 2020 19:42:47 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9819#comment-9652 In reply to ANGEL UNZALU.

Agree. So in addition to just having SO much cost that even a percentage of the eligible amount adds up to enough, other ways to wiggle out of the FTE and salary cut reduction adjustments exist. Good point. Thank you.

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By: Guillermo Birmingham https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/big-ppp-loan-forgiveness-surprises-await-small-businesses/#comment-9651 Wed, 22 Jul 2020 18:51:03 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9819#comment-9651 In reply to Jack.

I saw the same thing. Most likely it will pass and that will eliminate the concern for about 70% of the loans.

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By: ANGEL UNZALU https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/big-ppp-loan-forgiveness-surprises-await-small-businesses/#comment-9650 Wed, 22 Jul 2020 18:41:50 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9819#comment-9650 Form 3508 EZ provides the following representation and certification. If this is applicable, the FTE reductions or salary reductions should not have a negative impact on the amount of forgiveness.

_____ The Borrower was unable to operate between February 15, 2020, and the end of the Covered Period at the same level of business activity as before February 15, 2020 due to compliance with requirements established or guidance issued between March 1, 2020 and December 31, 2020, by the Secretary of Health and Human Services, the Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, or the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, related to the maintenance of standards of sanitation, social distancing, or any other work or customer safety requirement related to COVID-19.

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By: Jack https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/big-ppp-loan-forgiveness-surprises-await-small-businesses/#comment-9649 Wed, 22 Jul 2020 17:51:06 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=9819#comment-9649 Steve, any comments on the rumors that loans under $150,000 will be forgiven with a one page form? Sounds like there is a bill in Congress with strong support.

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