Comments on: Sole Proprietorship PPP Loan Applications https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/sole-proprietorship-ppp-loan-applications/ Actionable Insights from Small Business CPAs Tue, 15 Sep 2020 20:32:43 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Stephen Nelson CPA https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/sole-proprietorship-ppp-loan-applications/#comment-10026 Tue, 15 Sep 2020 20:32:43 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=10599#comment-10026 In reply to Andrea.

S corporation payroll costs include W-2 wages paid to employees (both owner-employees and non-owner-employees), state and local payroll taxes, health insurance, and retirement benefits.

So the accounting requires a little more work… but other than that, the application works the same way. E.g., if the average monthly payroll cost (including all that stuff I just mentioned) equals $4,000, the loan equals $10,000.

BTW, there is no PPP minimum. And Georgia wouldn’t have (or shouldn’t have) a state law that rewrites federal law. I suppose it’s possible the bank decided some PPP loans are too small to bother with… that’s an ugly possibility. This earlier blog post may provide additional info that’s useful: http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/paycheck-protection-loan-formula-explained-and-illustrated/

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By: Andrea https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/sole-proprietorship-ppp-loan-applications/#comment-10025 Tue, 15 Sep 2020 18:23:36 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=10599#comment-10025 Hello,
What about S Corps (Vs Schedule C) with the owner being the only employee? I use Quickbooks online. QB created a report showing how much PPP I was eligible for based on 2019 W-2 wages (did not include distributions). So are distribution excluded because there is no SE tax on these? Then it asked me to apply through QB Capital. I did and got rejected. A month or so later QB Capital told me I could apply again and I got rejected again. Both times they said I didn’t meet the minimum threshold for PPP loan in my state (GA)? So I asked for too little help? By the time I checked with my local bank (BAC) they had already cut off the application period. Also I did get EIDL of $1000. I heard you cannot get both? Is that accurate? Wondering if I should try a 3rd time.

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By: NPA https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/sole-proprietorship-ppp-loan-applications/#comment-10023 Mon, 14 Sep 2020 21:53:23 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=10599#comment-10023 A little late for me, but still a good resource for other entrepreneurs! I’ll be sure to share this with my brother who’s starting his own business. Thanks for sharing!

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By: Stephen Nelson CPA https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/sole-proprietorship-ppp-loan-applications/#comment-10014 Tue, 08 Sep 2020 16:04:32 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=10599#comment-10014 In reply to Darlina M.

Not sure I understand what your questions are. But you should still be able to make a PPP loan work even if you don’t have a special business bank account. The one problem with having funky or jury-rigged banking and accounting, however, is you won’t easily be able to show stuff to the banker in a way that makes sense and that “looks” right.

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By: Stephen Nelson CPA https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/sole-proprietorship-ppp-loan-applications/#comment-10013 Tue, 08 Sep 2020 16:02:48 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=10599#comment-10013 In reply to Tammy y.

An LLC owned by one owner is ignored. Tax law also uses the word “disregarded.” I.e., a single owner (or single member) LLC is disregarded for tax accounting purposes.

What that means in your case, probably, is that the LLC doesn’t affect ANYTHING! 🙂 So you just have a sole proprietorship. And then you get into the question of whether or not you had profits in 2019… those profits “set” the potential PPP loan amount.

It sounds like you didn’t have profits but did operate. So that unfortunately means you don’t get a PPP loan. Sorry.

BTW, different rules apply if you started your business in 2020. (As noted in other comments.)

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By: Stephen Nelson CPA https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/sole-proprietorship-ppp-loan-applications/#comment-10012 Tue, 08 Sep 2020 16:00:02 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=10599#comment-10012 In reply to Crystal.

OK, so you want to use the PPP loan to pay the proprietor (I.e., you.) That’ll give you forgiveness… and it is also means you won’t lose tax deductions. See this blog post: http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/sole-proprietor-and-partnership-ppp-tax-rules/

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By: Stephen Nelson CPA https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/sole-proprietorship-ppp-loan-applications/#comment-10011 Tue, 08 Sep 2020 15:58:37 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=10599#comment-10011 In reply to Vernita.

The proprietor (the owner) would need to write a check to her or himself. The forgiveness applications, in other words, require a payment or payments be made.

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By: Stephen Nelson CPA https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/sole-proprietorship-ppp-loan-applications/#comment-10010 Tue, 08 Sep 2020 15:57:26 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=10599#comment-10010 In reply to Krishan Khalsa.

I think the SBA assigned the PPP number when the bank submits the loan to the SBA.

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By: Stephen Nelson CPA https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/sole-proprietorship-ppp-loan-applications/#comment-10009 Tue, 08 Sep 2020 15:56:58 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=10599#comment-10009 In reply to Damien Ross Gardner.

I think/agree a sole proprietor needs to make a payment to him or herself. That’s in the instructions.

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By: Stephen Nelson CPA https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/sole-proprietorship-ppp-loan-applications/#comment-10008 Tue, 08 Sep 2020 15:56:11 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=10599#comment-10008 In reply to Cook H.V.A.C.R. Services.

I believe you. But the statute said the credit score shouldn’t matter except for a few special cases (like defaulting on a prior SBA loan).

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