Comments on: Recovery Startup Business Employee Retention Credit https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/recovery-startup-business-employee-retention-credit/ Actionable Insights from Small Business CPAs Fri, 19 Nov 2021 18:42:35 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Stephen Nelson CPA https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/recovery-startup-business-employee-retention-credit/#comment-10629 Tue, 10 Aug 2021 15:11:28 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=14772#comment-10629 In reply to Morgan.

We are providing ERC consulting help. I didn’t see your email message come in the usual way, however. Sorry!

I have just sent you an email privately though…

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By: Stephen Nelson CPA https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/recovery-startup-business-employee-retention-credit/#comment-10628 Tue, 10 Aug 2021 15:08:55 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=14772#comment-10628 In reply to Jeff.

Great question. And a firm in situation you describe probably fails to pass the “not more than $1,000,000 in gross receipts.”

I think the $2,500,000 for ten months (basically) gets reset to $3,000,000 for the 2020 year. And then because you don’t have three years to average but only one, that sets your (basically) one year average to $3,000,000. That’s more than $1,000,000. Which means you fail to qualify.

The precise recipe for making this short year adjustment comes from Section 448(c)(3)(B), which says this:

(B)Short taxable years
Gross receipts for any taxable year of less than 12 months shall be annualized by multiplying the gross receipts for the short period by 12 and dividing the result by the number of months in the short period.

BTW, the other thing to check, though, is that you don’t have another trade or business which gets aggregated with the new business. Why? Well, if that business operated in 2018 and 2019 and shows modest gross receipts that might pull down your average to under $1M per year.

E.g., say in 2018 and 2019 you have a little Schedule C sole proprietor thing. Maybe sideline consulting. Annual revenues $10K a year. If that’s case, now your
“average three years of revenue” formula looks like this:

($10,000+$10,000+$2,5000,000)/3 years equals $840,000. And now you qualify.

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By: Stephen Nelson CPA https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/recovery-startup-business-employee-retention-credit/#comment-10627 Tue, 10 Aug 2021 14:58:59 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=14772#comment-10627 In reply to Gabriel.

Yes. Sorry. Fixed. Thank you.

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By: Morgan https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/recovery-startup-business-employee-retention-credit/#comment-10626 Mon, 09 Aug 2021 01:29:46 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=14772#comment-10626 Steve,

I used the email form as suggested to ask about your firm looking over our books for the Employee retention credit. I haven’t heard back yet. Do you know if someone is working on contacting us?

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By: Gabriel https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/recovery-startup-business-employee-retention-credit/#comment-10625 Fri, 06 Aug 2021 16:17:48 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=14772#comment-10625 “An employer with ten employees who each earn $10,000 a quarter might receive $100,000 of employee retention credits”

Wouldn’t that be $70,000 of employee retention credits, due to the seventy percent rule?

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By: Jeff https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/recovery-startup-business-employee-retention-credit/#comment-10624 Fri, 06 Aug 2021 01:19:19 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=14772#comment-10624 If you just started the business after feb 15 2020
How do you have average gross receipts for 3 years
Suppose u youstarted February 26 2020 through 12/31 you make 2500000 in that first short year
Could you qualify?

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By: Stephen Nelson CPA https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/recovery-startup-business-employee-retention-credit/#comment-10622 Thu, 05 Aug 2021 13:42:24 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=14772#comment-10622 In reply to Omar.

I think you can start another business and have your aggregated businesses possibly qualify as a recovery startup business. But keep in mind something that Dan Chodan explained here, Owner Wages and the Employee Retention Credit… You don’t get the credit for owners nor or family employees.

BTW, this accounting treatment was fully spelled out by the IRS in a notice that they pulbished yesterday as or after I posted this blog post: IRS Notice 21-49.

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By: Omar https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/recovery-startup-business-employee-retention-credit/#comment-10621 Thu, 05 Aug 2021 02:24:49 +0000 http://evergreensmallbusiness.com/?p=14772#comment-10621 Could you start another business and hire your self and your spouse for Q3 and Q4 if you already are employed by your own separate S Corp that is an already established business? Could this business provide services to your ineligible S Corp?

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